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Post by IamQuailman on Mar 29, 2014 23:55:50 GMT -6
The answer is simple, vote on who you think deserves it. It's your vote, and you are the one to make it. If other people don't agree, it's their right to disagree as much as it's your right to make your own decisions.
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Mar 30, 2014 0:12:04 GMT -6
Darth has been beaten up a little too much. Currently his team is out performing the other GMOY contenders and GI and Soundwave will be the first to say it. What ends up happening with the award is a toss up. But clearly though 30 days, he has done the best job in all of the criteria whether you like it or not.
Tanking only potentially hurts the team that is doing it. Putting your eggs in the draft basket is a big risk. Especially not knowing what the draft classes could look like. Doug is also getting beat up, but he has the most cap space going into the best free agency year. If people haven't considered that as a part of his thought process yet, then maybe he is smarter than we think.
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Post by IamQuailman on Mar 30, 2014 0:15:11 GMT -6
Darth has been beaten up a little too much. Currently his team is out performing the other GMOY contenders and GI and Soundwave will be the first to say it. What ends up happening with the award is a toss up. But clearly though 30 days, he has done the best job in all of the criteria whether you like it or not. Tanking only potentially hurts the team that is doing it. Putting your eggs in the draft basket is a big risk. Especially not knowing what the draft classes could look like. Doug is also getting beat up, but he has the most cap space going into the best free agency year. If people haven't considered that as a part of his thought process yet, then maybe he is smarter than we think. Thanks tray, I really do appreciate that. Not being sarcastic.
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Post by IamQuailman on Mar 30, 2014 0:16:53 GMT -6
Darth has been beaten up a little too much. Currently his team is out performing the other GMOY contenders and GI and Soundwave will be the first to say it. What ends up happening with the award is a toss up. But clearly though 30 days, he has done the best job in all of the criteria whether you like it or not. Tanking only potentially hurts the team that is doing it. Putting your eggs in the draft basket is a big risk. Especially not knowing what the draft classes could look like. Doug is also getting beat up, but he has the most cap space going into the best free agency year. If people haven't considered that as a part of his thought process yet, then maybe he is smarter than we think. And I wholeheartedly agree about people laying into Darth. I know I tease him here IR there about ROY and Penny and crap, but in all honestly he has done a great job and making moves to build a good looking team and the production on the court says that too (record as well).
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Mar 30, 2014 0:20:08 GMT -6
Darth has been beaten up a little too much. Currently his team is out performing the other GMOY contenders and GI and Soundwave will be the first to say it. What ends up happening with the award is a toss up. But clearly though 30 days, he has done the best job in all of the criteria whether you like it or not. Tanking only potentially hurts the team that is doing it. Putting your eggs in the draft basket is a big risk. Especially not knowing what the draft classes could look like. Doug is also getting beat up, but he has the most cap space going into the best free agency year. If people haven't considered that as a part of his thought process yet, then maybe he is smarter than we think. Thanks tray, I really do appreciate that. Not being sarcastic. I still think you're crazy, but I'm pro-choice when it comes to aborting your franchise or not.
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Post by DarthVegito on Mar 30, 2014 0:38:17 GMT -6
Darth has been beaten up a little too much. Currently his team is out performing the other GMOY contenders and GI and Soundwave will be the first to say it. What ends up happening with the award is a toss up. But clearly though 30 days, he has done the best job in all of the criteria whether you like it or not. Tanking only potentially hurts the team that is doing it. Putting your eggs in the draft basket is a big risk. Especially not knowing what the draft classes could look like. Doug is also getting beat up, but he has the most cap space going into the best free agency year. If people haven't considered that as a part of his thought process yet, then maybe he is smarter than we think. I honestly don't give a shit anymore about this award. I haven't promoted myself once this season for it. I've joked about it before the season here and there but I wanted to let my success speak for itself. But I don't even think success will be enough for me to win with the hate in this league. I don't give a fuck. Stop bitching and moaning about tanking. We can't police it and we can't stop it. Sure I got Penny. But had I not gotten Penny I would be just fine, because I made about 10 other moves that set up my team for success. Not just hoping for a miracle in the draft. So you want to sit pat and make no moves while the league and better GMs pass you by go right ahead. IT"S YOUR RIGHT TO DO SO. Just as it's the next guys' right to sell his shit for draft picks. Learn to deal with it, adapt to it, and use it to your advantage. BE A GM! And about the whole "Darth getting beat up too much" thing...fuck em. I go out of my way to do shit, none of which I have to do. I know I'm an honest person, I by no means have to prove that to anyone. Yet I go out of my way to record, and do these skype sims while the wifey is behind me and hates them. So you wanna keep bitching about shit go right ahead. I don't need anyone to pat me on my fucking back or say "GOOD JOB DARTH". I do this because it's fun to me and I enjoy it. Not for you. So keep complaining and bitching. IDGAF, says more about you than it does me.
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Post by coltsguy510 on Mar 30, 2014 1:58:43 GMT -6
I have the most cap space for next season...
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Post by gmessi2 on Mar 30, 2014 7:06:46 GMT -6
The answer is simple, vote on who you think deserves it. It's your vote, and you are the one to make it. If other people don't agree, it's their right to disagree as much as it's your right to make your own decisions. Balls wanted opinions about GMOY. I gave my opinion. I know it's up to each team to decide what to do with their team, and that is their choice. Everyone runs the team the way that they want to run it, and that's how it should be. I have my opinion about things, and people have theirs. Is either one better than the other...no, but that is why it is an opinion. What Doug says here is 100% true. I agree with things, I disagree with things, but if you want my opinion then I'll give it. I tend to agree with soundwave that the coaching part gets overlooked when looking at GMOY. Ultimately, it is up to each person to decide using their own criteria.
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Post by Inner_GI on Mar 30, 2014 7:08:41 GMT -6
I'll just stop voting. Who fucking cares anyway.
I never said let the system decide GMOY by the way....
bitching and moaning about bitching and moaning. Lovely.
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Post by Inner_GI on Mar 30, 2014 7:11:26 GMT -6
The answer is simple, vote on who you think deserves it. It's your vote, and you are the one to make it. If other people don't agree, it's their right to disagree as much as it's your right to make your own decisions. Balls wanted opinions about GMOY. I gave my opinion. I know it's up to each team to decide what to do with their team, and that is their choice. Everyone runs the team the way that they want to run it, and that's how it should be. I have my opinion about things, and people have theirs. Is either one better than the other...no, but that is why it is an opinion. What Doug says here is 100% true. I agree with things, I disagree with things, but if you want my opinion then I'll give it. I tend to agree with soundwave that the coaching part gets overlooked when looking at GMOY. Ultimately, it is up to each person to decide using their own criteria. In a perfect world, I agree as well, but when it's not who some considered to be the right person, it's a shit show saying 'how could you vote for this person," "don't look at playoff success." It's either let everyone have the peace of mind to vote for whoever they choose, or just rid of it, because every year it just causes drama and complaining. When someone wins it's a "big deal" to the losers, and when the discussion of the award comes up, we are trying to set a bunch of criteria on something that should just be personal opinion.
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Post by 78 on Mar 30, 2014 7:46:35 GMT -6
Nic Cajun should be in the convo for GMOY.
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Post by NOLa. on Mar 30, 2014 8:30:56 GMT -6
Not being a dick because some of us were having a decent conversation before this blew up, but if tanking isn't an issues why is Doug getting blasted for every trade he makes?
I think some of us were just discussing the differences between game planning and GM. Not sure where this came from haha
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Mar 30, 2014 8:55:57 GMT -6
Not being a dick because some of us were having a decent conversation before this blew up, but if tanking isn't an issues why is Doug getting blasted for every trade he makes? I think some of us were just discussing the differences between game planning and GM. Not sure where this came from haha You started this.
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Post by NOLa. on Mar 30, 2014 8:59:53 GMT -6
Not being a dick because some of us were having a decent conversation before this blew up, but if tanking isn't an issues why is Doug getting blasted for every trade he makes? I think some of us were just discussing the differences between game planning and GM. Not sure where this came from haha You started this. Since the idea was brought up in the off-season I really liked the idea of Coach of the Year
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Mar 30, 2014 9:00:13 GMT -6
I Since the idea was brought up in the off-season I really liked the idea of Coach of the Year I was kidding
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Post by NOLa. on Mar 30, 2014 9:00:36 GMT -6
NO U TRAY
DED
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Post by nicolascajun on Mar 30, 2014 9:01:06 GMT -6
Not being a dick because some of us were having a decent conversation before this blew up, but if tanking isn't an issues why is Doug getting blasted for every trade he makes? I think some of us were just discussing the differences between game planning and GM. Not sure where this came from haha Funny. I remember people not caring when I was doing the same shit. If anything Doug is pulling a Nic. Maybe I'm not popular enough to get scolded by fellow leaguers (except for Balls- that guy is an asshole).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2014 9:05:53 GMT -6
Not being a dick because some of us were having a decent conversation before this blew up, but if tanking isn't an issues why is Doug getting blasted for every trade he makes? I think some of us were just discussing the differences between game planning and GM. Not sure where this came from haha Funny. I remember people not caring when I was doing the same shit. If anything Doug is pulling a Nic. Maybe I'm not popular enough to get scolded by fellow leaguers (except for Balls- that guy is an asshole).
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Post by nicolascajun on Mar 30, 2014 9:10:29 GMT -6
Funny. I remember people not caring when I was doing the same shit. If anything Doug is pulling a Nic. Maybe I'm not popular enough to get scolded by fellow leaguers (except for Balls- that guy is an asshole). Everyday it's a new smiley. I don't know who you are anymore.
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Mar 30, 2014 9:13:20 GMT -6
Not being a dick because some of us were having a decent conversation before this blew up, but if tanking isn't an issues why is Doug getting blasted for every trade he makes? I think some of us were just discussing the differences between game planning and GM. Not sure where this came from haha Funny. I remember people not caring when I was doing the same shit. If anything Doug is pulling a Nic. Maybe I'm not popular enough to get scolded by fellow leaguers (except for Balls- that guy is an asshole). You laugh, but I think this has a lot to do with why Doug is getting abused on this year. He is one of the vocal ones about people's trades, good and bad. Hell, we have whole segments dedicated to this on the podcast. I think some people are just getting a little payback. Doug's reactions have also been priceless so that's certainly not helping people stop it either. But yes, you did something similar and caught no flack for it. It should show us all that again tanking is not that bad.
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Post by Soundwave on Mar 30, 2014 9:22:14 GMT -6
Funny. I remember people not caring when I was doing the same shit. If anything Doug is pulling a Nic. Maybe I'm not popular enough to get scolded by fellow leaguers (except for Balls- that guy is an asshole). You laugh, but I think this has a lot to do with why Doug is getting abused on this year. He is one of the vocal ones about people's trades, good and bad. Hell, we have whole segments dedicated to this on the podcast. I think some people are just getting a little payback. Doug's reactions have also been priceless so that's certainly not helping people stop it either. But yes, you did something similar and caught no flack for it. It should show us all that again tanking is not that bad. Doug's a big boy. He can handle it.
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Post by nicolascajun on Mar 30, 2014 9:24:33 GMT -6
Funny. I remember people not caring when I was doing the same shit. If anything Doug is pulling a Nic. Maybe I'm not popular enough to get scolded by fellow leaguers (except for Balls- that guy is an asshole). You laugh, but I think this has a lot to do with why Doug is getting abused on this year. He is one of the vocal ones about people's trades, good and bad. Hell, we have whole segments dedicated to this on the podcast. I think some people are just getting a little payback. Doug's reactions have also been priceless so that's certainly not helping people stop it either. But yes, you did something similar and caught no flack for it. It should show us all that again tanking is not that bad. I missed out on Shaquille and Webber, so I will be the first to say tanking isn't a magical win machine. Sometimes it is the only way to accumulate talent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2014 9:25:44 GMT -6
You want my honest opinion on the award and what's wrong with it ok here goes and it'll be short and sweet.
1.) Definition- There is no standard definition for this award. So what gmessi's and someone else's opinion is of the award is different; you may think his criteria is outlandish but that's the award; and you're wrong, it's his definition and you should respect it. The only thing we can do is help mold what the definition is but talking about like what was happening here. We can also help mold it by allowing the voting to start the week before the playoffs start. There you go. Playoffs are out of the definition.
2.) Entitlement- I'm going to talk about this but on egg shells a bit. Why? Because my best friend was a huge offender of this, and i was a little more moderate but was an offender as well. Entitlement to this award is simply ruining it. There are people who make moves in the previous season AND offseason and EXPECT this award to be laying on the table if they meet certain criteria before a game has been played. Hell, I probably beat my chest the least before and after winning the award and i still fell into this category. I'm saying the guy talking is an offender of this as well as Traywithana and Darth. I think like everything the entitlement runs on different levels but it's there and why this award has blown up into this discussion. Humble yourself and be happy if you win. It's not a crime against humanity if you lose.
The whole point of voting for an award is to empower the league to vote for their champions and award winners. It brings in people taking a deeper look into things and it makes people feel more connected and have something to strive for. These are all VERY great things for the league. If we don't like the result and then change it what was the point of the vote in the first place? That's not right. This is a league that started as the afterbirth of a league where the commish was a dictator.
No one enjoyed that but everyone kept quiet because no one wanted him to take his ball. With Darth, we finally don't have a commish like that, but i think people (myself included) poke the bear far too much and get upset when the bear gets angry. He deserves a ton of respect for being a great commish that sims no matter what he's got going on (even at 1 am and he actually informs us), and for begging a great GM in our league. He has been to the finals in only 3 seasons and has rebuilt a very, very formidable team again. He deserves our respect and for us to not constantly take pot shots at him or curse him out.
This whole talk has heated up because Tray lost and a lot of vocal members thought he should have won and because of that we're expecting this to go South again this year because of a bad year. You shouldn't feel pressured to vote a certain way. You shouldn't feel entitled to win the award. You should look at the facts, whether its a most improved award, a coaching award, a contract shrewdness award, a trade savvy award, or a little combination of both. You should not play into politics of the award. IE i tongue lashed Conroy and tray voting themselves 3rd so they could each win the award. That's not right either. Not voting for the first or second place guy because you want someone else to win it isn't right either. Just do the right thing people and everything will be fine.
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Post by Soundwave on Mar 30, 2014 9:38:00 GMT -6
Darth has been beaten up a little too much. Currently his team is out performing the other GMOY contenders and GI and Soundwave will be the first to say it. What ends up happening with the award is a toss up. But clearly though 30 days, he has done the best job in all of the criteria whether you like it or not. Tanking only potentially hurts the team that is doing it. Putting your eggs in the draft basket is a big risk. Especially not knowing what the draft classes could look like. Doug is also getting beat up, but he has the most cap space going into the best free agency year. If people haven't considered that as a part of his thought process yet, then maybe he is smarter than we think. Don't know what this has to do with me? All I said is that coaching should be appreciated more. That would pretty much eliminate me from anything. Let's be honest, Darth's had that GMOY award wrapped up since week 2. Wether it includes coaching or not. He has done as good as good a job coaching this year as any getting a team full of new guys and rookies to play very well together. Something I'm just figuring out. Just trying to give the guys that are good game planners here and haven't made the big moves some love too, Award or no award. Not only for guys like Pauly, but Balls, RPF, Xist, Eazy, Bow, not NOLa, and what's his name that runs the Sonics and roots against me every chance he gets cause he owns my pick. Doesn't need to be another award for that. When did this thread become all about Darth anyway?
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Post by nicolascajun on Mar 30, 2014 9:42:30 GMT -6
Well said. Darth don't deserve the flak he get, and neither does Dougypoo. Be appreciative of the guy who works his ass off to put this shit together, and consider yourself grateful that people think highly enough of you to give you recognition for your success. I know people get competitive, but it's a friendly competition in the end. No reason to be at each other's throats.
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