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Post by NOLa. on Mar 29, 2014 14:57:06 GMT -6
NBA also has coach of the year right, aren't we trying to replicate the real league?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2014 14:58:31 GMT -6
The Coach and the GM are (typically) two different people in the NBA...
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Mar 29, 2014 15:00:14 GMT -6
NBA also has coach of the year right, aren't we trying to replicate the real league? Only reason it is tough is that they are the same people. And since both awards are subjective, how can we even go into either with set "criteria"? Just gonna have to use the GMOY trophy to celebrate one of your peers and try to be more flashy next time.
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Post by NOLa. on Mar 29, 2014 15:03:46 GMT -6
So because we are one entity we can't have two separate awards?
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Mar 29, 2014 15:05:27 GMT -6
There are gonna be a lot of teams each year who won't be in the running for the 15 point award because they like how their team is built as a whole.
Should the Kings or Warriors be penalized for having Malone and Kemp and not making any splashes each year? Should the Lakers be penalized for not trading for any key pieces but selling high on other pieces and continuing to win?
Also, how does a teams history affect the way you vote? If you feel a team ran their franchise in the mud, do you applaud their moves to become relevant again? It is afterall for a single season. Not a lifetime achievement award.
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Mar 29, 2014 15:08:22 GMT -6
15 points is a big award so these discussions should help us round out a field before voting ends at the start of round 1.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2014 15:09:04 GMT -6
So because we are one entity we can't have two separate awards? That's what we're talking about, but that was my whole point on the first post about it. I factor in coaching in GMOY because without success the moves are meaningless. How else can we judge GMOY without coaching being in the equation? Just pure moves... ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2014 15:12:14 GMT -6
There are gonna be a lot of teams each year who won't be in the running for the 15 point award because they like how their team is built as a whole. Should the Kings or Warriors be penalized for having Malone and Kemp and not making any splashes each year? Should the Lakers be penalized for not trading for any key pieces but selling high on other pieces and continuing to win? Also, how does a teams history affect the way you vote? If you feel a team ran their franchise in the mud, do you applaud their moves to become relevant again? It is afterall for a single season. Not a lifetime achievement award. All good questions, but like you said.. it's a season award and everyone can't win.
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Post by NOLa. on Mar 29, 2014 15:15:22 GMT -6
Yeah the sim really limits what we can do as a general manager is pure terms of what a real GM' s duties would be. Limited to the draft, free agency and trades, seeing where you are getting at there's not enough to judge. I just wanted to discuss this because other owners are telling Pauly he's doing great and coaching his team great, but not sure if he's considered candidate for GMOY. Same for Hawks the first season and second season where he swept the league again and got little mention.
The turnaround by the Lakers couldn't be ignored that season and you were almost the #1 seed so you deserved it, but the league is noticing the award is turning into a most improved 15 point award
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Mar 29, 2014 15:17:25 GMT -6
There are gonna be a lot of teams each year who won't be in the running for the 15 point award because they like how their team is built as a whole. Should the Kings or Warriors be penalized for having Malone and Kemp and not making any splashes each year? Should the Lakers be penalized for not trading for any key pieces but selling high on other pieces and continuing to win? Also, how does a teams history affect the way you vote? If you feel a team ran their franchise in the mud, do you applaud their moves to become relevant again? It is afterall for a single season. Not a lifetime achievement award. All good questions, but like you said.. it's a season award and everyone can't win. I'm not suggesting that more than one person win, and that's kind of my point. Creating a second award takes away from the hardest part of this game - building a contender and living up to expectations
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Mar 29, 2014 15:21:41 GMT -6
the league is noticing the award is turning into a most improved 15 point award Which is a bigger award than winning your division. It's tough to be excited about an award that A) most know they won't qualify for and B) cheapens some of the other real quantifiable victories in this league.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2014 15:38:03 GMT -6
the league is noticing the award is turning into a most improved 15 point award Which is a bigger award than winning your division. It's tough to be excited about an award that A) most know they won't qualify for and B) cheapens some of the other real quantifiable victories in this league. Good point. Also, i don't want another award because sooner or later we're going to be handing out gold stars to everyone.
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Post by NOLa. on Mar 29, 2014 15:38:21 GMT -6
inb4 "you need to vote to have opinion"
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Mar 29, 2014 15:39:56 GMT -6
inb4 "you need to vote to have opinion" Oh we know you didn't vote. Very aware.
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Mar 29, 2014 15:41:38 GMT -6
It's lack of second and third place votes that did me in last year. Don't know how I missed some ballots, but alas, it is what it is.
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Post by nicolascajun on Mar 29, 2014 16:04:40 GMT -6
GMOY award is a matter of opinion. There really isn't a fair way to judge it, so chances are someone will feel disrespected.
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Post by 78 on Mar 29, 2014 16:49:10 GMT -6
The awards can separated while both being based on success.
Coach of the Year would be basically gameplanner of the year.
GMOY would be awarded to the guy who made the most moves leading to success.
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Post by logpmess on Mar 29, 2014 17:48:15 GMT -6
Which is a bigger award than winning your division. It's tough to be excited about an award that A) most know they won't qualify for and B) cheapens some of the other real quantifiable victories in this league. Good point. Also, i don't want another award because sooner or later we're going to be handing out gold stars to everyone. Gold stars. I have a chance!
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Post by gmessi2 on Mar 29, 2014 22:52:31 GMT -6
Sometimes not making a move is the best move a GM can make. With the tank happiness of the league these days(which I think is terrible for the league as a whole, but that is a different conversation), it will just lead to more tanking to try and become the "most improved" team from the year before to win the GMOY award. I think this is the major flaw with looking at it only in regards to moves made/success with those moves.
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Post by Inner_GI on Mar 29, 2014 23:01:02 GMT -6
I think the award should just be removed.
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Post by DarthVegito on Mar 29, 2014 23:31:21 GMT -6
You guys are fucking hilarious. Bitch, moan, complain....but never solutions. "terrible for the league..blah, blah, blah", "tanking is ruining the league..blah,blah, blah", Oh and here's a great solution, "let's get rid of the award all together".
Let me tell you something. A) Tanking as YOU love to call it is a legit and LEGAL way to rebuild and shape one's team whether you like it or not. Doesn't matter what you think about it. Deal with it. Ya'll want to replicate the real NBA so badly, well here ya go. Welcome to the real NBA. B) THERE IS NO WAY TO STOP OR CONTROL IT. Want us to control it? OK, We will start deciding which trades we think are good for you and your team and will veto the ones we don't like. We'll run your team for you, OK? Cool with that? C) We can only control a team playing their best players and putting out the best product onto the court. We CAN'T control the value of that product. So either stop bitching about it or just quit because it's way too subjective to be controlled or stopped. D) And sure we'll get rid of the award. We'll get rid of you all voting on it. We'll give it to the program to decide and that's who will win it each year. Problem solved. Done. Congrats.
I've stayed out of this discussion for long enough. Have no problem letting people discuss things but when it's just all negative, negative, negative and NOONE has any solutions. And I'm mainly talking about the whining about the "tanking". It's oh so old and annoying. And don't worry about the award, it won't be voted on for much longer. Everyone loves the transparency and so on, yet people vote on the award and it still isn't good enough. "I don't like that it's a "most improved" award"...LOL You want everyone to define the award like you define the award. Sound like a dictatorship. I can go that direction if you all like. No problem. I bust my fucking ass running this shit, and I got one guy who takes a shot at me every chance he gets, and others who have to buck the system every chance they get. And of course the ones who complain yet never have a solution themselves.
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Mar 29, 2014 23:37:33 GMT -6
Sometimes not making a move is the best move a GM can make. With the tank happiness of the league these days(which I think is terrible for the league as a whole, but that is a different conversation), it will just lead to more tanking to try and become the "most improved" team from the year before to win the GMOY award. I think this is the major flaw with looking at it only in regards to moves made/success with those moves. There should be a general appreciation for one of the 28 other guys' work that makes you want to vote for them. Some franchises have rebounded quickly after driving their franchise off a cliff. Others can not possibly recover in the year's time that this award can be considered for. In the end, I will look at the group and see who did the most impressive job in general. Everyone should have the ability to change the criteria to determine who they thought did the best job. If people thought I was butt hurt over losing, wait until some of the other candidates in years to come discover a change from most improved to best managed and then back to most improved. This award cuts so much you'd think it was a DJ.
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Mar 29, 2014 23:45:16 GMT -6
I think there has been a good discussion on this non-sanctioned impromptu award criteria thread.
The field we discussed before this year has yet to materialize with the exception of one who some may write off for the wrong reasons. What I am suggesting is that in a year where teams have been a disappointment (at least in the first 30+ games), you should consider steady but surely guys like PaulyP and NOLa. and WigNosy if they tickle your fancy. Vote on the guy that did the best job. But vote the way you think the award should be given. Vote is the key part of that sentence. Once you've voted, sit back and watch the fireworks. There is bound to be someone who will deliver on that last part.
Oh, and screw you, Conroy.
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Post by IamQuailman on Mar 29, 2014 23:52:52 GMT -6
Sorry if I bucked the system or came off as bucking the system.
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Mar 29, 2014 23:54:47 GMT -6
Sorry if I bucked the system or came off as bucking the system. You alway Buck the system. Saw what I did there, Milwaukee?
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