Off-Season Free Agency Process Update: PLEASE READ!

[IamQuailman]

This will be the first off-season where we have players from the first non-creation draft coming off their rookie deals. As we all know, not everyone had the option of resigning them in-season due to the randomness of In-Season Negotiations.  As a result, a new process is being instituted this offseason (1995) to ensure that GMs have a fair opportunity to retain the players that were drafted.

Prior to Free Agency's beginning, Darth will provide everyone with the contract demands of those rookie-deal players that did not offer to resign in-season. GMs will have an opportunity then to a) Accept or b) Decline the contract demand. 

• If you choose to decline, your player will test free agency. You may still choose to use your bids to try to retain him, but all other GMs will have that opportunity as well.  
• If you choose to accept, your player will resign with your team.
• If you choose to sign and trade, the player will be signed and traded to the target team PRIOR to the next round of free agency.
• These options will ONLY be available to those players coming off 4 YEAR ROOKIE DEALS who DID NOT offer In-Season Negotiations. All other UFAs from your team will hit free agency without this option.

This will have an impact on In-Season Negotiations as well. To make things completely fair, moving forward all in-season negotiation demands offered by players will be accept or decline (or instead of declining, just not accepting and letting the player hit free agency).

• If you accept, the player will be signed to the extension they were asking for.
• If you choose not to accept, the player will then hit free agency. You will still have the opportunity to sign them to a Super Max if so desired.
• There will no longer be the option to haggle for contract length/amount.

I'll leave this thread open in case there are any questions or anyone needs clarification.

[WigNosy]

To clarify, does the inability to negotiate with players in-season apply only to players coming off of rookie deals, or does it now apply to all players (even those not coming off rookie-scale contracts)?

[Deleted]

Jun 18, 2014 11:58:10 GMT -6 WigNosy said:

To clarify, does the inability to negotiate with players in-season apply only to players coming off of rookie deals, or does it now apply to all players (even those not coming off rookie-scale contracts)?

all players. You can either accept or decline the extension.

[WigNosy]

Jun 18, 2014 12:01:25 GMT -6 ballsohard said:

Jun 18, 2014 11:58:10 GMT -6 WigNosy said:

To clarify, does the inability to negotiate with players in-season apply only to players coming off of rookie deals, or does it now apply to all players (even those not coming off rookie-scale contracts)?

all players. You can either accept or decline the extension.

Got it. Best reason for this rule is, "cuts way down the time Darth has to spend inputting incrementally larger bids every week for cheap owners like Wig."

[IamQuailman]

Jun 18, 2014 12:06:09 GMT -6 WigNosy said:

Jun 18, 2014 12:01:25 GMT -6 ballsohard said:

all players. You can either accept or decline the extension.

Got it. Best reason for this rule is, "cuts way down the time Darth has to spend inputting incrementally larger bids every week for cheap owners like Wig (and Quail)."

[Deleted]

Jun 18, 2014 12:06:09 GMT -6 WigNosy said:

Jun 18, 2014 12:01:25 GMT -6 ballsohard said:

all players. You can either accept or decline the extension.

Got it. Best reason for this rule is, "cuts way down the time Darth has to spend inputting incrementally larger bids every week for cheap owners like Wig."

I think that's a side benefit. the basis behind the rookie rule was to give people a fair shot at signing a guy. We then debated about, can he see his bid ? then it went to he should be able to see his bid because in season negotiations can see the bid. Then it went to can he negotiate with that bid. Then it went to we don't want them to sign automatically due to haggling (based on your advice that everyone signs after day 4 for anyhting) or getting a discount as well. Which lead to the shadow shadow council allegations. Which then went to, Let's just prevent haggling in general and make it fair across the board for rookies and in season guys.    

[Conroy]

Jun 18, 2014 12:10:02 GMT -6 ballsohard said:

Jun 18, 2014 12:06:09 GMT -6 WigNosy said:

Got it. Best reason for this rule is, "cuts way down the time Darth has to spend inputting incrementally larger bids every week for cheap owners like Wig."

I think that's a side benefit. the basis behind the rookie rule was to give people a fair shot at signing a guy. We then debated about, can he see his bid ? then it went to he should be able to see his bid because in season negotiations can see the bid. Then it went to can he negotiate with that bid. Then it went to we don't want them to sign automatically due to haggling (based on your advice that everyone signs after day 4 for anyhting) or getting a discount as well. Which lead to the shadow shadow council allegations. Which then went to, Let's just prevent haggling in general and make it fair across the board for rookies and in season guys.    

I like the basis of the rookie rule, it's seems to have the benefits of RFA, but doesn't completely tie a player down to a team unless they are willing to pay. I see the thought process behind another tough decision that had to be made, but wonder if removing the haggling, while having the side benefit to Darth, will diminish the FA process. I may come off bias again because in season negotiating has worked out well for me in the past, but it also added a wrinkle to the new program that I really enjoyed. It seems like middle ground was found and the fairest solution has been determined both for the entire league and the mysterious shadow council but at the end of the day you just must ask yourself did the ends justify the means? Did they?

[DarthVegito]

Jun 18, 2014 14:06:56 GMT -6 Conroy said:

Jun 18, 2014 12:10:02 GMT -6 ballsohard said:

I think that's a side benefit. the basis behind the rookie rule was to give people a fair shot at signing a guy. We then debated about, can he see his bid ? then it went to he should be able to see his bid because in season negotiations can see the bid. Then it went to can he negotiate with that bid. Then it went to we don't want them to sign automatically due to haggling (based on your advice that everyone signs after day 4 for anyhting) or getting a discount as well. Which lead to the shadow shadow council allegations. Which then went to, Let's just prevent haggling in general and make it fair across the board for rookies and in season guys.    

I like the basis of the rookie rule, it's seems to have the benefits of RFA, but doesn't completely tie a player down to a team unless they are willing to pay. I see the thought process behind another tough decision that had to be made, but wonder if removing the haggling, while having the side benefit to Darth, will diminish the FA process. I may come off bias again because in season negotiating has worked out well for me in the past, but it also added a wrinkle to the new program that I really enjoyed. It seems like middle ground was found and the fairest solution has been determined both for the entire league and the mysterious shadow council but at the end of the day you just must ask yourself did the ends justify the means? Did they?

Yes they did.

Simply put we were going for overall fairness here. The in season negotiating that has helped you in the past has at the same time screwed many over. It's complete luck if your player chose to negotiate. That part was NEVER fair. While trying to make sure all GMs had a fair shot at resigning their guys coming off rookie deals, we had to either allow everyone to haggle or no one. The best option was to allow no one. The process is now streamline and simple. Everyone gets a shot to accept what their guys coming off rookie deals wants. Sure it now prevents any in season "haggling" but it was part off the system, we tried it and while always trying to improve our league, this was the route we've decided to take.

[Soundwave]

So ALL my rookie FA's will send me an offer this offseason that I can just ace rot if I want?

Even the ones that did not offer to negotiate during season?

Example: I will be getting a contract offer from Greg Anthony's punk ass.

[Deleted]

Jun 18, 2014 14:27:50 GMT -6 Soundwave said:

So ALL my rookie FA's will send me an offer this offseason that I can just ace rot if I want?

Even the ones that did not offer to negotiate during season?

Example: I will be getting a contract offer from Greg Anthony's punk ass.

Yes. For rookie you will get in season or off season negotiations. We're pulling in season from the in season feature and the out of season will be from the player demands in FA.  

[IamQuailman]

Jun 18, 2014 14:27:50 GMT -6 Soundwave said:

So ALL my rookie FA's will send me an offer this offseason that I can just ace rot if I want?

Even the ones that did not offer to negotiate during season?

Example: I will be getting a contract offer from Greg Anthony's punk ass.

You will ONLY get rookie contract demands from guys who did NOT offer in season negotiations

[Conroy]

Has there alawyas been off season demands we just didn't use the feature? Or do only players coming off true rookie deals (rookies from the very first draft not creation draft) have offseason demands?

[rpf]

Hooray for Rider

[Deleted]

Jun 18, 2014 14:41:15 GMT -6 Conroy said:

Has there alawyas been off season demands we just didn't use the feature? Or do only players coming off true rookie deals (rookies from the very first draft not creation draft) have offseason demands?

Yes there's always been demands for FAs, but logistically no way to show them all to the entie league for every player.

[Bowser]

Jun 18, 2014 14:41:15 GMT -6 Conroy said:

Has there alawyas been off season demands we just didn't use the feature? Or do only players coming off true rookie deals (rookies from the very first draft not creation draft) have offseason demands?

Yeah that feature was in the IJBL League. When negociating with free agents each of them had their desired contract on their profile.