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Post by coltsguy510 on Mar 18, 2014 18:12:02 GMT -6
For me, tanking has meant losing on purpose and doing everything within your power to lose. I think trading guys who are productive for less productive young guys and picks is perfectly ok. This is why the Mavs were able to rebuild so well: not because they were so bad, but be says they got value for their players. Real tanking when it comes to trading (for me) is going in with the mindset of "this guy is going to make me win. Let me make sure I get rid of him even if it's for 10 cents on the dollar." The Glen Rice trade, Gary Grant trade, and Johnny Dawkins trade. If those teams were trying to contend and those deals were offered, they probably would have laughed at them and said no. But since those guys may help them win, they feel they have to get rid of them. With gameplanninf, as long as you're actively trying to win or develop young players (reasonably), it's really hard for me to tell you you're tanking unless you're going same or repeatedly making it obvious you have no goal but to lose. That's my 2 cents. I've been trying to trade Grant for like the past two years. He had a deal that I didn't want. I got a pick and cap space for next offseason to pick up players I want. That's all I wanted for him. As for the Rice trade, I shouldn't have made that. I definitely should've gotten better assets, but it's not like my team would be a ton better with those assets. Picks don't make my team better than Darrell Armstrong does. I got bored and made an ill advised trade. And I promise that I will Gameplan to the best of my abilities.
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Post by NOLa. on Mar 18, 2014 18:16:36 GMT -6
So did everyone get that off their chests?
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Mar 18, 2014 18:23:31 GMT -6
TANKING = OK REBUILDING = OK SETTLING DOWN = OK
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Post by bowtothebill23 on Mar 18, 2014 18:27:18 GMT -6
If someone would've offered yall those trades last year or before yall decided to blow it up, yall would've laughed in their face and said no. It's about integrity and getting fair value, and I think you both would admit that neither of you got close to fair value.
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Post by IamQuailman on Mar 18, 2014 18:30:32 GMT -6
If someone would've offered yall those trades last year or before yall decided to blow it up, yall would've laughed in their face and said no. It's about integrity and getting fair value, and I think you both would admit that neither of you got close to fair value. What would be fair value then? I asked you about Dawkins. You know what I was asking for for him. Did I get it from you? No. Did I get it from other people in this thread that know they inquired about Dawkins but wouldn't give up what I was asking? No. At what point is fair value a constant and not fluid? I thought value was driven by the market.
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Post by NOLa. on Mar 18, 2014 18:48:24 GMT -6
ARE YOU READY TO
RANK DEM TANKS?
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Post by Conroy on Mar 18, 2014 18:50:40 GMT -6
RANK DEM TANKS, RANK DEM TANKS, RANK DEM TANKS!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2014 18:55:36 GMT -6
If someone would've offered yall those trades last year or before yall decided to blow it up, yall would've laughed in their face and said no. It's about integrity and getting fair value, and I think you both would admit that neither of you got close to fair value. What would be fair value then? I asked you about Dawkins. You know what I was asking for for him. Did I get it from you? No. Did I get it from other people in this thread that know they inquired about Dawkins but wouldn't give up what I was asking? No. At what point is fair value a constant and not fluid? I thought value was driven by the market. Well sure, but when you only survey the market for a couple of days to determine value then you're almost certain to get an inaccurate version of your value. The fact that you cornered yourself to a preseason trade is precisely why you didn't get value. It is also precisely why if you would have waited any longer you probably would have gotten the same or less.
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Post by NOLa. on Mar 18, 2014 18:58:02 GMT -6
RANK DEM TANKS, RANK DEM TANKS, RANK DEM TANKS!!!!
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Post by kucoach7 on Mar 18, 2014 18:58:12 GMT -6
As long as it's allowed in real NBA, I see no reason to penalize it here. We are supposed to model after the real league, correct? I should be able to relocate then You better relocate quick before Kevin Johnson retires and becomes the mayor. KJ will not let the Kings leave.
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Post by bowtothebill23 on Mar 18, 2014 18:59:59 GMT -6
As long as it's allowed in real NBA, I see no reason to penalize it here. We are supposed to model after the real league, correct? I should be able to relocate then Agreed
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Post by NOLa. on Mar 18, 2014 19:00:05 GMT -6
I should be able to relocate then You better relocate quick before Kevin Johnson retires and becomes the mayor. KJ will not let the Kings leave.
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Post by 78 on Mar 18, 2014 19:19:46 GMT -6
Relocation needs league approval.
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Post by coltsguy510 on Mar 18, 2014 19:22:54 GMT -6
If someone would've offered yall those trades last year or before yall decided to blow it up, yall would've laughed in their face and said no. It's about integrity and getting fair value, and I think you both would admit that neither of you got close to fair value. Yeah, but trading is based on your situation. Contending teams look to get players that will help their team win now. Rebuilding teams get players that could help them in the future and draft picks so their teams will be better in the future. I think I got fair value for Gary Grant after testing what he was worth for the past 2 years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2014 19:26:11 GMT -6
You better relocate quick before Kevin Johnson retires and becomes the mayor. KJ will not let the Kings leave. i'll make sure the Kings stay in that cow patty shit hole.
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Post by NOLa. on Mar 18, 2014 19:34:30 GMT -6
i'll make sure the Kings stay in that cow patty shit hole. Sacramento, Pennsylvania calls for us. We will have to wait for that dream to come true another day, in the mean time... #CanAlwaysDream #Sacramento,PA
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Post by Bowser on Mar 18, 2014 20:35:18 GMT -6
I hope this league don't become a joke like the Last one over at PR. To be honest I think there will be teams tanking only because everyone Knows what players are in a particular draft class and what they did in the real NBA. It's not going to stop until the players are unknown and that is another 22 SIM league seasons. A lot of people are benefiting from it whether its the tankers or the people accepting their deals. Let's be honest if the players in future drafts were unknown (including their ratings) would we be having a bunch of trades for future picks? I agree with what someone said earlier about GM trading picks should be held accountable too for enabling this activity but if you are 1 or 2 players away from becoming a contender and come up on a Deal to good to pass up What would you do? In a sense we are all guilty If this girl come up to you and said you can have at her right now for 2 points. What would you do? Probably this and give her 2 points. Hope I don't get Banned.
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Post by NOLa. on Mar 18, 2014 20:36:35 GMT -6
Due to the reaction I added an editors note at the bottom of the original post. Discuss please!
Oh and #TankRank put on hold because of outburst/note
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2014 20:47:29 GMT -6
I hope this league don't become a joke like the Last one over at PR. To be honest I think there will be teams tanking only because everyone Knows what players are in a particular draft class and what they did in the real NBA. It's not going to stop until the players are unknown and that is another 22 SIM league seasons. A lot of people are benefiting from it whether its the tankers or the people accepting their deals. Let's be honest if the players in future drafts were unknown (including their ratings) would we be having a bunch of trades for future picks? I agree with what someone said earlier about GM trading picks should be held accountable too for enabling this activity but if you are 1 or 2 players away from becoming a contender and come up on a Deal to good to pass up What would you do? In a sense we are all guilty If this girl come up to you and said you can have at her right now for 2 points. What would you do? Probably this and give her 2 points. Hope I don't get Banned. May be the best post ever in sim league.
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Post by NOLa. on Mar 18, 2014 21:42:07 GMT -6
Rankings Postponed For 03/19/2014
Sorry for the inconvenience.
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Post by Inner_GI on Mar 18, 2014 22:04:03 GMT -6
Tanking needs intent. I agree with that. Intent is subjective though...
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Post by NOLa. on Mar 18, 2014 22:09:51 GMT -6
Tanking needs intent. I agree with that. Intent is subjective though... Well intent, in this case, means you know and purposely performed an action. It's not going into the rationalization of intent, but just the actual action itself. That's why I brought up how it eliminates bad training camps to key players and other examples. It doesn't mean you have a bad camp so you have an excuse to blow things up, but you can't say that a team got intentionally worse because of training camp, missing out on key free agent bids, or an injury bug strikes. All factors come into play and I know it's not a black-or-white issue, if it was there would be a legitimate definition for the terms tanking and rebuilding.
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Post by thesyndicate on Mar 18, 2014 22:17:44 GMT -6
I'm Drunk.
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Post by IamQuailman on Mar 18, 2014 22:19:11 GMT -6
And your finger smels like vagina
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Post by NOLa. on Mar 18, 2014 22:19:28 GMT -6
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