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Post by TrayWithAnA on Dec 20, 2013 20:04:28 GMT -6
I meant Mavs versus the Pacific champ. I didn't understand the confusion on air but I guess I see it now.
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Post by Soundwave on Dec 20, 2013 20:19:34 GMT -6
It seems like a backhanded compliment, it is, but it honestly does make for a good host.
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Dec 20, 2013 20:21:11 GMT -6
It seems like a backhanded compliment, it is, but it honestly does make for a good host. Preesh
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Post by Soundwave on Dec 20, 2013 21:05:17 GMT -6
I find it funny that the guy who set up the point system doesn't value points. (Balls talking about trading guys for 10 points.)
I think it was a good discussion on "tanking". It is interesting to get different people's opinions on what is tanking vs rebuilding.
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Dec 20, 2013 21:12:28 GMT -6
Six of one, half dozen of the other
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Post by Soundwave on Dec 20, 2013 21:27:18 GMT -6
LOL, iTunes put an Explicit rating on it.
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Post by Conroy on Dec 20, 2013 22:55:45 GMT -6
I find it funny that the guy who set up the point system doesn't value points. (Balls talking about trading guys for 10 points.) I think it was a good discussion on "tanking". It is interesting to get different people's opinions on what is tanking vs rebuilding. Damnit just started podcast will now have to listen to whole thing until I get to this discussion
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Post by 78 on Dec 21, 2013 17:05:00 GMT -6
I haven't done same in any of my DCs. I've tried to win each sim. It took me awhile to figure out the gameplan. And I got 4 picks from last year's draft.
And I didn't get top picks in the previous sim league due to having a bad record. Melo was drafted when the tankers got punished. Jefferson was acquired when I got the Mavs pick in 2002. Okafor was drafted 6th and Manu was drafted 5th.
I built a bad, old team in year one and I wanted to blow it up and start over which is y I dumped McHale. I drafted Kenny Anderson so I didn't need Kenny Smith and I got a pretty good rookie for him in Bison Dele.
Really the facts were wrong about me when it came to the previous league. I didn't tank at all. It just took me awhile to figure out the gameplan. Same thing with this league. I've asked Darth both seasons on recommended depth charts. It just took me awhile to figure out the new system.
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Post by coltsguy510 on Dec 21, 2013 18:11:58 GMT -6
Not one thing about my first playoff birth? I thought it was worth talking about.
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Dec 21, 2013 18:16:51 GMT -6
I haven't done same in any of my DCs. I've tried to win each sim. It took me awhile to figure out the gameplan. And I got 4 picks from last year's draft. And I didn't get top picks in the previous sim league due to having a bad record. Melo was drafted when the tankers got punished. Jefferson was acquired when I got the Mavs pick in 2002. Okafor was drafted 6th and Manu was drafted 5th. I built a bad, old team in year one and I wanted to blow it up and start over which is y I dumped McHale. I drafted Kenny Anderson so I didn't need Kenny Smith and I got a pretty good rookie for him in Bison Dele. Really the facts were wrong about me when it came to the previous league. I didn't tank at all. It just took me awhile to figure out the gameplan. Same thing with this league. I've asked Darth both seasons on recommended depth charts. It just took me awhile to figure out the new system. We made it pretty clear you weren't tanking, but used you as an example since you were previously really good and are currently not very good. Using your example, I still don't think tanking can be a punishable offense. It just is too subjective. If someone tanks, they run the risk of hurting their franchise more than they run the risk of helping it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2013 18:22:16 GMT -6
Not one thing about my first playoff birth? I thought it was worth talking about. We'll probably talk about it more when we know who's playing who.
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Post by coltsguy510 on Dec 21, 2013 18:23:27 GMT -6
Not one thing about my first playoff birth? I thought it was worth talking about. We'll probably talk about it more when we know who's playing who. Yay
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Dec 21, 2013 18:28:39 GMT -6
Not one thing about my first playoff birth? I thought it was worth talking about. We'll probably talk about it more when we know who's playing who. According to the amazing journalistic skills I have demonstrated in "Tray's Eastern Conference Playoff Predictions," it is now known that the Nets will host the Magic in the 4/5 series in the first round.
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Post by NOLa. on Dec 21, 2013 18:29:45 GMT -6
Congrats coltsguy
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2013 18:41:01 GMT -6
Im about halfway through, I love these things. Plus its really informative for a new guy. Are there any older podcasts where you disscuss the sim engine and strategy and rotation rateings ect? Link?
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Dec 21, 2013 18:49:57 GMT -6
Im about halfway through, I love these things. Plus its really informative for a new guy. Are there any older podcasts where you disscuss the sim engine and strategy and rotation rateings ect? Link? Subscribe on iTunes
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Post by 78 on Dec 21, 2013 20:04:22 GMT -6
I haven't done same in any of my DCs. I've tried to win each sim. It took me awhile to figure out the gameplan. And I got 4 picks from last year's draft. And I didn't get top picks in the previous sim league due to having a bad record. Melo was drafted when the tankers got punished. Jefferson was acquired when I got the Mavs pick in 2002. Okafor was drafted 6th and Manu was drafted 5th. I built a bad, old team in year one and I wanted to blow it up and start over which is y I dumped McHale. I drafted Kenny Anderson so I didn't need Kenny Smith and I got a pretty good rookie for him in Bison Dele. Really the facts were wrong about me when it came to the previous league. I didn't tank at all. It just took me awhile to figure out the gameplan. Same thing with this league. I've asked Darth both seasons on recommended depth charts. It just took me awhile to figure out the new system. We made it pretty clear you weren't tanking, but used you as an example since you were previously really good and are currently not very good. Using your example, I still don't think tanking can be a punishable offense. It just is too subjective. If someone tanks, they run the risk of hurting their franchise more than they run the risk of helping it. It is too subjective. Nothing wrong with building through the draft and playing young players. Many ways to build a team. Balls just decided to say some false stuff when it came to my previous Rockets team. I really never benefitted from the lottery in that league and didn't have a bottom 5 team except for one season and I ended up getting Manu with the 5th pick. If anything, I was guilty of not being too active in year one of this league, but its not like I benefitted from the lottery either since I fell to the 4th pick.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2013 20:21:57 GMT -6
Im about halfway through, I love these things. Plus its really informative for a new guy. Are there any older podcasts where you disscuss the sim engine and strategy and rotation rateings ect? Link? Subscribe on iTunes I don't have itunes, is there another way? Email? Kevincameron503@gmail.com
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Post by NOLa. on Dec 21, 2013 20:26:46 GMT -6
I agree that it's a very opinionated matter but that does not mean we should toss the issue aside and ignore any possible ways to prevent teams from potentially making their team worse. There's no tool the league can use to help determine who is doing such by looking at the lineups, game plans and results of course.
However, it doesn't take much effort to see your team is doing bad with your gameplan and changing things up. So when these teams constantly go "Same" every week can you legitimately argue they are doing their best? Because I think I can make a better case they are either inactive or tanking, both of which should be frowned upon by everyone here.
A simple idea I had was that if you are obviously hurting your team's chances or not trying to improve in any way possible that Darth just lets Mr. Uter set the lineup.
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Dec 21, 2013 20:46:36 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2013 20:52:18 GMT -6
A jsb league I'm in tanking became a problem. What it boiled down to was a judgment call by the commissioner. After he decided intentional tanking was happening he would:
A- warn the gm to set a proper lineup. B- set the lineup himself if the warning was ignored C- move the draft pick back a spot or two, or threatened to move it to the last pick of the first round. D- limit the number of lotto and or top 5 picks one team could have in consecutive years. For example a forth consecutive lotto trip would result in automatically moving 5 spots back in draft order.
This only works if everyone trusts the commissioner, doesn't seem like that would be a problem here, and fair warnings are given.
It got to the point where gms were trying to outbid each other for shitty players. Arguably the worst player in the sim got a max contract lmao
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2013 20:55:20 GMT -6
Which podcast has sim engine/stradegy/lineup. .. all that kinda stuff?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2013 20:56:24 GMT -6
Also thanks
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Dec 21, 2013 21:31:36 GMT -6
Which podcast has sim engine/stradegy/lineup. .. all that kinda stuff? Episode 101 I think. It marked the reboot of the podcast. 100 stands for the first season of the new league. Think we talked about it there a little. Not a lot though.
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Post by 78 on Dec 21, 2013 21:52:32 GMT -6
I agree that it's a very opinionated matter but that does not mean we should toss the issue aside and ignore any possible ways to prevent teams from potentially making their team worse. There's no tool the league can use to help determine who is doing such by looking at the lineups, game plans and results of course. However, it doesn't take much effort to see your team is doing bad with your gameplan and changing things up. So when these teams constantly go "Same" every week can you legitimately argue they are doing their best? Because I think I can make a better case they are either inactive or tanking, both of which should be frowned upon by everyone here. A simple idea I had was that if you are obviously hurting your team's chances or not trying to improve in any way possible that Darth just lets Mr. Uter set the lineup. Is there anyone who's doing "same" despite having a bad record? I haven't noticed it, but I maybe I'm not looking hard either.
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