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Post by TrayWithAnA on Jul 3, 2014 7:37:00 GMT -6
I'm officially hiring the Pistons Training Staff next year. We're the best at something!!! YAY!!!
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Post by JNR on Jul 3, 2014 7:47:32 GMT -6
I did mean my team. In this league, our own team is all anyone cares about. I'm just starting to buy into it myself. Selfish bitch SORRY FOR OFFENDING, KING OF ALL SELF-SLURP
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Jul 3, 2014 7:50:26 GMT -6
SORRY FOR OFFENDING, KING OF ALL SELF-SLURP
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Jul 3, 2014 8:08:50 GMT -6
You know how they say so and so is "mired" in a slump. You don't think they mean Damon, do you?.....too soon? Damon is done. It's a shame because I had 120 points saved up for him. I just don't understand how a player has never played a minute in this league and drops 30 points right after draft. There is something inherently wrong with that, and he's not the first or last. I could understand if Damon was somehow injured.... The same can be said about guys who get huge boosts after the draft. It's just kind of how the game works. It is equally as forgiving as it is cruel.
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Post by nicolascajun on Jul 3, 2014 8:12:04 GMT -6
There must be a fucking nerf quota. It's almost like the game punishes you for having too many talented players which I think is kind of bullshit, but whatever. I won't make the mistake of not having shitty on the decline 37 year olds again.
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Jul 3, 2014 8:17:27 GMT -6
There must be a fucking nerf quota. It's almost like the game punishes you for having too many talented players which I think is kind of bullshit, but whatever. I won't make the mistake of not having shitty on the decline 37 year olds again. I do wonder if you added up the points if they were close to even and the game was essentially taking away from one player to give to another. It would be an interesting study to do if these articles were worth more than 5 points.
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Post by nicolascajun on Jul 3, 2014 8:23:02 GMT -6
The odd thing was I ended up top 5 in TC improvement thread, but Ward, Lamond and Billy were nerfed really hard. Even Christie was nerfed to an extent, so despite Mike's breakout offseason I'm a little upset.
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Post by Inner_GI on Jul 3, 2014 8:38:10 GMT -6
Damon is done. It's a shame because I had 120 points saved up for him. I just don't understand how a player has never played a minute in this league and drops 30 points right after draft. There is something inherently wrong with that, and he's not the first or last. I could understand if Damon was somehow injured.... The same can be said about guys who get huge boosts after the draft. It's just kind of how the game works. It is equally as forgiving as it is cruel. Yea, even that is kind of dumb. I feel Rookies should be excluded from the first training camp because how is it a benefit to the bad teams in the league if their top 5 picks gets shit on, and some pikc in the 20s (like tharon mayes) improves every year?
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Post by JNR on Jul 3, 2014 8:49:25 GMT -6
The randomness of it all is definitely hard to predict.
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Post by DarthVegito on Jul 3, 2014 8:50:22 GMT -6
The same can be said about guys who get huge boosts after the draft. It's just kind of how the game works. It is equally as forgiving as it is cruel. Yea, even that is kind of dumb. I feel Rookies should be excluded from the first training camp because how is it a benefit to the bad teams in the league if their top 5 picks gets shit on, and some pikc in the 20s (like tharon mayes) improves every year? It's called randomness of the NBA. This game would not be fun without some randomness. The NBA draft IRL is the biggest crap shoot. There are top 10 busts all the time. The game isn't even that brutal. It also puts added risk onto the benefits of tanking or "rebuilding". Between the lotto fucking you and the chance of your top guy not panning out, it makes tanking not so attractive. So overall it's a good thing for the league. Just sucks when it happens to you.
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Post by Inner_GI on Jul 3, 2014 9:26:22 GMT -6
Yea, even that is kind of dumb. I feel Rookies should be excluded from the first training camp because how is it a benefit to the bad teams in the league if their top 5 picks gets shit on, and some pikc in the 20s (like tharon mayes) improves every year? It's called randomness of the NBA. This game would not be fun without some randomness. The NBA draft IRL is the biggest crap shoot. There are top 10 busts all the time. The game isn't even that brutal. It also puts added risk onto the benefits of tanking or "rebuilding". Between the lotto fucking you and the chance of your top guy not panning out, it makes tanking not so attractive. So overall it's a good thing for the league. Just sucks when it happens to you. But this isn't the real NBA, and we have known names here. I guess just stop using actual NBA player names, if we are trying to emulate the real NBA draft randomness.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 9:50:47 GMT -6
It's called randomness of the NBA. This game would not be fun without some randomness. The NBA draft IRL is the biggest crap shoot. There are top 10 busts all the time. The game isn't even that brutal. It also puts added risk onto the benefits of tanking or "rebuilding". Between the lotto fucking you and the chance of your top guy not panning out, it makes tanking not so attractive. So overall it's a good thing for the league. Just sucks when it happens to you. But this isn't the real NBA, and we have known names here. I guess just stop using actual NBA player names, if we are trying to emulate the real NBA draft randomness. I guess this is the biggest argument against tanking.
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Post by J2 on Jul 3, 2014 9:50:59 GMT -6
It's called randomness of the NBA. This game would not be fun without some randomness. The NBA draft IRL is the biggest crap shoot. There are top 10 busts all the time. The game isn't even that brutal. It also puts added risk onto the benefits of tanking or "rebuilding". Between the lotto fucking you and the chance of your top guy not panning out, it makes tanking not so attractive. So overall it's a good thing for the league. Just sucks when it happens to you. But this isn't the real NBA, and we have known names here. I guess just stop using actual NBA player names, if we are trying to emulate the real NBA draft randomness. Honestly, I was stunned to see how much potential Damon had. He was a above-average PG in the NBA, but not franchise PG good like his draft ratings indicated. And it's not like potential drops haven't happened before (see: Dikembe Mutombo, Larry Johnson, Christian Laettner), or that green/greens are useless (see: Larry Johnson, Danny Manning, Drazen Petrovic), or that potential drops can't get better (see: Derrick Coleman, Bimbo Coles). Shoot, bow had Cassell go from blue/blue to yellow/yellow seemingly overnight, I'd think that's a much bigger issue than Damon, who's still a rookie green/green and will most likely improve. Pour those points you were talking about into certain categories and he'll probably get those color ratings back, like Conroy did with Coleman. Not a big issue.
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Post by Inner_GI on Jul 3, 2014 9:54:56 GMT -6
But this isn't the real NBA, and we have known names here. I guess just stop using actual NBA player names, if we are trying to emulate the real NBA draft randomness. I guess this is the biggest argument against tanking. And I wasn't tanking last year. I was trying so damn hard to not be in the top 3 lottery because they always get screwed (and that proved true here). I just want to iterate, my biggest gripe with Damon isn't that his stats fluctuated. It's more that his potential was just destroyed. Potential in the NBA is based on age, draft position, college performance, etc. How does someone without a NBA minute lose potential. Is there a summer league I don't know about? Potential shouldn't change so drastically when there is no past performances for a player to be judge on. Potential should change based on NBA performances. That's my stance. It's probably not feasable, but it just seems kind of silly.
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Post by Inner_GI on Jul 3, 2014 9:56:25 GMT -6
But this isn't the real NBA, and we have known names here. I guess just stop using actual NBA player names, if we are trying to emulate the real NBA draft randomness. Honestly, I was stunned to see how much potential Damon had. He was a above-average PG in the NBA, but not franchise PG good like his draft ratings indicated. And it's not like potential drops haven't happened before (see: Dikembe Mutombo, Larry Johnson, Christian Laettner), or that green/greens are useless (see: Larry Johnson, Danny Manning, Drazen Petrovic), or that potential drops can't get better (see: Derrick Coleman, Bimbo Coles). Shoot, bow had Cassell go from blue/blue to yellow/yellow seemingly overnight, I'd think that's a much bigger issue than Damon, who's still a rookie green/green and will most likely improve. Pour those points you were talking about into certain categories and he'll probably get those color ratings back, like Conroy did with Coleman. Not a big issue. Those players dropped after playing games in the NBA. Damon hasn't even got his Name on a Suns jersey yet. The Cassell thing is very extreme, but he also broke his leg. Damon hasn't had an injury, because, again, he hasn't played a minute yet.
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Jul 3, 2014 9:56:29 GMT -6
But this isn't the real NBA, and we have known names here. I guess just stop using actual NBA player names, if we are trying to emulate the real NBA draft randomness. Honestly, I was stunned to see how much potential Damon had. He was a above-average PG in the NBA, but not franchise PG good like his draft ratings indicated. And it's not like potential drops haven't happened before (see: Dikembe Mutombo, Larry Johnson, Christian Laettner), or that green/greens are useless (see: Larry Johnson, Danny Manning, Drazen Petrovic), or that potential drops can't get better (see: Derrick Coleman, Bimbo Coles). Shoot, bow had Cassell go from blue/blue to yellow/yellow seemingly overnight, I'd think that's a much bigger issue than Damon, who's still a rookie green/green and will most likely improve. Pour those points you were talking about into certain categories and he'll probably get those color ratings back, like Conroy did with Coleman. Not a big issue. They tend to materialize into what their potentials say they should be and not what their actual ratings are. I mean, I remember LJ having a monster rookie camp. Sometimes shit happens and the game takes away some potential. But a lot of times, first rounders materialize into good green/greens and then stay that way. 30 points is not the end of the world. Guy is a rookie and still can improve with those training sessions and subsequent training camps.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 10:00:52 GMT -6
I guess this is the biggest argument against tanking. And I wasn't tanking last year. I was trying so damn hard to not be in the top 3 lottery because they always get screwed (and that proved true here). I just want to iterate, my biggest gripe with Damon isn't that his stats fluctuated. It's more that his potential was just destroyed. Potential in the NBA is based on age, draft position, college performance, etc. How does someone without a NBA minute lose potential. Is there a summer league I don't know about? Potential should change so drastically when there is no past performances for a player to be judge on. Potential should change based on NBA performances. That's my stance. It's probably not feasable, but it just seems kind of silly. Think of it as, he was scouted as a green blue. When he actually got to camp and saw him play more he wasn't as good. You keep saying what should happen, but this has been happening for 5 seasons now. It's just part of the game. We're not going to go in and change the TC code. With that being said, i've been screwed as bad as anyone before in TC (happened again this year), it's just something you have to learn to cope with. there is no solution to this.
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Post by Inner_GI on Jul 3, 2014 10:01:12 GMT -6
Honestly, I was stunned to see how much potential Damon had. He was a above-average PG in the NBA, but not franchise PG good like his draft ratings indicated. And it's not like potential drops haven't happened before (see: Dikembe Mutombo, Larry Johnson, Christian Laettner), or that green/greens are useless (see: Larry Johnson, Danny Manning, Drazen Petrovic), or that potential drops can't get better (see: Derrick Coleman, Bimbo Coles). Shoot, bow had Cassell go from blue/blue to yellow/yellow seemingly overnight, I'd think that's a much bigger issue than Damon, who's still a rookie green/green and will most likely improve. Pour those points you were talking about into certain categories and he'll probably get those color ratings back, like Conroy did with Coleman. Not a big issue. They tend to materialize into what their potentials say they should be and not what their actual ratings are. I mean, I remember LJ having a monster rookie camp. Sometimes shit happens and the game takes away some potential. But a lot of times, first rounders materialize into good green/greens and then stay that way. 30 points is not the end of the world. Guy is a rookie and still can improve with those training sessions and subsequent training camps. I agree -30 points is whatever. It's the potentials. Inside went from B to C. Handling went from A to B Passing went from B to C Permiter D went from B to C That's my biggest gripe. I mean it almost turned Damon into a SG instead of the PG I drafted.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 10:01:58 GMT -6
Honestly, I was stunned to see how much potential Damon had. He was a above-average PG in the NBA, but not franchise PG good like his draft ratings indicated. And it's not like potential drops haven't happened before (see: Dikembe Mutombo, Larry Johnson, Christian Laettner), or that green/greens are useless (see: Larry Johnson, Danny Manning, Drazen Petrovic), or that potential drops can't get better (see: Derrick Coleman, Bimbo Coles). Shoot, bow had Cassell go from blue/blue to yellow/yellow seemingly overnight, I'd think that's a much bigger issue than Damon, who's still a rookie green/green and will most likely improve. Pour those points you were talking about into certain categories and he'll probably get those color ratings back, like Conroy did with Coleman. Not a big issue. They tend to materialize into what their potentials say they should be and not what their actual ratings are. I mean, I remember LJ having a monster rookie camp. Sometimes shit happens and the game takes away some potential. But a lot of times, first rounders materialize into good green/greens and then stay that way. 30 points is not the end of the world. Guy is a rookie and still can improve with those training sessions and subsequent training camps. He did not have a moster rookie camp fyi. It was like in the 15-20+ range.
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Jul 3, 2014 10:03:15 GMT -6
They tend to materialize into what their potentials say they should be and not what their actual ratings are. I mean, I remember LJ having a monster rookie camp. Sometimes shit happens and the game takes away some potential. But a lot of times, first rounders materialize into good green/greens and then stay that way. 30 points is not the end of the world. Guy is a rookie and still can improve with those training sessions and subsequent training camps. He did not have a moster rookie camp fyi. It was like in the 15-20+ range. My bad
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Post by DarthVegito on Jul 3, 2014 10:10:42 GMT -6
Would it make you feel any better if we put a story behind it? Let's say he came into camp with a bad attitude and out of shape. He isn't seeing eye to eye with the coach and just doesn't seem teachable. Thinks he knows everything. Not only that but his first weekend at camp he went to Las Vegas, got shit faced and ended up with a DWI.
Does this make you feel better? Now you know why it happened.
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Post by Inner_GI on Jul 3, 2014 10:10:40 GMT -6
They tend to materialize into what their potentials say they should be and not what their actual ratings are. I mean, I remember LJ having a monster rookie camp. Sometimes shit happens and the game takes away some potential. But a lot of times, first rounders materialize into good green/greens and then stay that way. 30 points is not the end of the world. Guy is a rookie and still can improve with those training sessions and subsequent training camps. He did not have a moster rookie camp fyi. It was like in the 15-20+ range. +37 actually
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Post by bowtothebill23 on Jul 3, 2014 10:15:34 GMT -6
I think the game is made to replicate as close as possible to the real NBA. We see guys picked late in rounds (Mark Macon, Mike Iuzzolino, Clarence Weatherspoon) become good players and we see guys at the top of the drafts (Damon, Kenny Anderson, Dikembe, Cassell, LJ, etc) bust. I think the game has a bust and steal factor in it so as to replicate more closely the real NBA.
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Post by J2 on Jul 3, 2014 10:17:02 GMT -6
Damn, I forgot Kenny Anderson even existed.
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Post by TrayWithAnA on Jul 3, 2014 10:17:37 GMT -6
Damn, I forgot Kenny Anderson even existed. So did the rest of the league
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