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Post by nicolascajun on Nov 9, 2013 14:46:08 GMT -6
Why is JJACK so inactive?!?! Replace him! Lol I made my pick
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Post by IamQuailman on Nov 9, 2013 15:45:32 GMT -6
I wanted to clear up the confusion that happened today (I'll post this in League Chat as well as the trade thread)..
Knowing that we had a few less active GMs, I knew it would be a good idea to recruit for our wait list. One of the guys I spoke with, nicolascajun/JJackisangry, got back to me this morning saying that we would be interested and to let him know when a team freed up. As a result, I directed him to the forum to sign up and say hi in this thread.
Simultaneously, since we had a trade posted last night between rockets-magic unaccepted and that pick on the clock with no coltsguy in sight, it appeared that coltsguy may have pulled a disappearing act, leaving the trade and pick and draft in general in question. As a result, a bad decision was made quickly and rashly to removed coltsguy as GM of the Magic and replace him with nicolascajun.
But after further discussion, the best course of action was to reinstate coltsguy as GM of the Magic and ask nicolascajun to remain on the waitlist for a team to open up. I apologize to the Magic, the Rockets, and nicolascajun for the confusion experienced in this. Again it was a rash, not-well-thought-out decision made by some, but please keep in mind that we were trying our best to do what is best for the league: keeping active GMs around. Again, we jumped the gun here, but we will take this mistake as a learning experience and get better. We as a group are learning as we go on how to work as a team to make this league a successful one. I hope you can accept this admission of a mistake as my apology for the confusion had today, especially coltsguy, rockets78, and nicolascajun.
Let's get back onto the draft and get this season underway.
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Post by LoCo89 on Nov 9, 2013 16:36:41 GMT -6
I wanted to clear up the confusion that happened today (I'll post this in League Chat as well as the trade thread).. Knowing that we had a few less active GMs, I knew it would be a good idea to recruit for our wait list. One of the guys I spoke with, nicolascajun/JJackisangry, got back to me this morning saying that we would be interested and to let him know when a team freed up. As a result, I directed him to the forum to sign up and say hi in this thread. Simultaneously, since we had a trade posted last night between rockets-magic unaccepted and that pick on the clock with no coltsguy in sight, it appeared that coltsguy may have pulled a disappearing act, leaving the trade and pick and draft in general in question. As a result, a bad decision was made quickly and rashly to removed coltsguy as GM of the Magic and replace him with nicolascajun. But after further discussion, the best course of action was to reinstate coltsguy as GM of the Magic and ask nicolascajun to remain on the waitlist for a team to open up. I apologize to the Magic, the Rockets, and nicolascajun for the confusion experienced in this. Again it was a rash, not-well-thought-out decision made by some, but please keep in mind that we were trying our best to do what is best for the league: keeping active GMs around. Again, we jumped the gun here, but we will take this mistake as a learning experience and get better. We as a group are learning as we go on how to work as a team to make this league a successful one. I hope you can accept this admission of a mistake as my apology for the confusion had today, especially coltsguy, rockets78, and nicolascajun. Let's get back onto the draft and get this season underway. So what? I'm just supposed to put back all these pitchforks and torches that I got to use on you guys?
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Post by 78 on Nov 9, 2013 17:19:18 GMT -6
It's cool Quail. This stuff happens. I understood giving Jack the team.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 17:21:40 GMT -6
Thanks for quail writing this but know just because he made that statement doesn't mean I don't accept heavy responsibility with this as well.
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Post by LoCo89 on Nov 9, 2013 17:37:46 GMT -6
I understand the point of the committee or whatever you guys are, but I still feel like the replacing of GMs should be more of a league wide determination. That way it's never a rash decision, especially considering the way it can look if you guys just start replacing guys when you deem necessary. I just don't get how this kind of decision gets made in league that began with a ridiculous amount of polls and listening to everyone's opinion comes down to a committee that lets be honest was simply handpicked by Darth
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Post by DarthVegito on Nov 9, 2013 17:46:30 GMT -6
I understand the point of the committee or whatever you guys are, but I still feel like the replacing of GMs should be more of a league wide determination. That way it's never a rash decision, especially considering the way it can look if you guys just start replacing guys when you deem necessary. I just don't get how this kind of decision gets made in league that began with a ridiculous amount of polls and listening to everyone's opinion comes down to a committee that lets be honest was simply handpicked by Darth Let's not go here. Seriously. Not in the mood for this.
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Post by LoCo89 on Nov 9, 2013 17:49:54 GMT -6
I understand the point of the committee or whatever you guys are, but I still feel like the replacing of GMs should be more of a league wide determination. That way it's never a rash decision, especially considering the way it can look if you guys just start replacing guys when you deem necessary. I just don't get how this kind of decision gets made in league that began with a ridiculous amount of polls and listening to everyone's opinion comes down to a committee that lets be honest was simply handpicked by Darth Let's not go here. Seriously. Not in the mood for this. How about now?
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Post by IamQuailman on Nov 9, 2013 18:08:19 GMT -6
I understand the point of the committee or whatever you guys are, but I still feel like the replacing of GMs should be more of a league wide determination. That way it's never a rash decision, especially considering the way it can look if you guys just start replacing guys when you deem necessary. I just don't get how this kind of decision gets made in league that began with a ridiculous amount of polls and listening to everyone's opinion comes down to a committee that lets be honest was simply handpicked by DarthCome on man, you know that we ALL are doing things in the best interest of the league. In fact, we all have differing opinions on various aspects of how the league is run and disagreements occur amongst us... it's how we end up reaching some of our best decisions. But what happened here today was not one of them; it was a lapse in judgement by some (not all) of the committee. We again have learned from today's experience and will work better as a team and communicate before action is taken. But today's issue has since been resolved and moved on. Let's all do the same and look forward, not back.
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Post by DarthVegito on Nov 9, 2013 18:10:04 GMT -6
I understand the point of the committee or whatever you guys are, but I still feel like the replacing of GMs should be more of a league wide determination. That way it's never a rash decision, especially considering the way it can look if you guys just start replacing guys when you deem necessary. I just don't get how this kind of decision gets made in league that began with a ridiculous amount of polls and listening to everyone's opinion comes down to a committee that lets be honest was simply handpicked by Darth Better yet I will address this statement because I'm feeling some kind of way right now. Your description of how the "committee" was formed is completely wrong and off base. The people who are in this committee are there for certain reasons. Mainly reason #1 being because myself, Balls and Quail were the original 3 that discussed starting this league. We talked about how it was difficult for one person to run it so we said we would all help out. I have the program, therefore I am the commish. Nola was brought because he is super active, and wanted to take on the responsibility. And it stopped there. So I'm not even sure what your remark about handpicking is getting at but it definitely has negative connotation. Above all I wanted this to be a very transparent league. Which I have accomplished. And will continue to make sure it is. But what I also discovered is that you can't put a poll on everything. Replacing GMs will NOT be a league wide decision. If you want to keep a team in this league you should be active. When we have people on the waiting list then the leash will get tighter and tighter. BUT that being said each GM should get a fair warning and given a chance to raise their activity. Obviously I'm talking about the most inactive GMs, which there were about 3 very inactive members this first season. This coltsguy thing was handled poorly, and no matter the level of involvement I had in the ordeal today, I am the commish and must assume some responsibility. Most of all the decisions in this first season have went very smoothly. And many of those decisions have not been put up to a poll. Much goes on behind the scenes that the league never sees. We make decisions and many other things. But above all this league has run pretty damn smoothly because of this "committee". So yeah maybe a mistake was made today but it was one mistake. No one is perfect. Seriously no reason to put our system under the bus. Because this system we have isn't going to change. That's a promise. It's worked well thus far and will continue to work well. Sorry for whoever doesn't like the "system" but yeah it's not gonna change.
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Post by NOLa. on Nov 9, 2013 18:11:32 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 18:18:07 GMT -6
We made a quick decision because we looked at past interactions with teams that were not active and they scuttled those teams. We did not want a team to lose all of it's assets before the owner was set back fro years to come. Look at the Kings and how long nola.'s rebuild was taking. Also teams that sell of their assets really change the landscape of the league. Take for instance when Coltsguy traded Jamison to the 76ers. We were trying to prevent situations like this and moved a little too quick. It made sense but we didn't follow the order of operations that we probably should have. If it came to vote i'd probably still voted to move him back to the waiting list. Nothing personal to him of course.
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Post by LoCo89 on Nov 9, 2013 18:26:28 GMT -6
I understand the point of the committee or whatever you guys are, but I still feel like the replacing of GMs should be more of a league wide determination. That way it's never a rash decision, especially considering the way it can look if you guys just start replacing guys when you deem necessary. I just don't get how this kind of decision gets made in league that began with a ridiculous amount of polls and listening to everyone's opinion comes down to a committee that lets be honest was simply handpicked by Darth Better yet I will address this statement because I'm feeling some kind of way right now. Your description of how the "committee" was formed is completely wrong and off base. The people who are in this committee are there for certain reasons. Mainly reason #1 being because myself, Balls and Quail were the original 3 that discussed starting this league. We talked about how it was difficult for one person to run it so we said we would all help out. I have the program, therefore I am the commish. Nola was brought because he is super active, and wanted to take on the responsibility. And it stopped there. So I'm not even sure what your remark about handpicking is getting at but it definitely has negative connotation. Above all I wanted this to be a very transparent league. Which I have accomplished. And will continue to make sure it is. But what I also discovered is that you can't put a poll on everything. Replacing GMs will NOT be a league wide decision. If you want to keep a team in this league you should be active. When we have people on the waiting list then the leash will get tighter and tighter. BUT that being said each GM should get a fair warning and given a chance to raise their activity. Obviously I'm talking about the most inactive GMs, which there were about 3 very inactive members this first season. This coltsguy thing was handled poorly, and no matter the level of involvement I had in the ordeal today, I am the commish and must assume some responsibility. Most of all the decisions in this first season have went very smoothly. And many of those decisions have not been put up to a poll. Much goes on behind the scenes that the league never sees. We make decisions and many other things. But above all this league has run pretty damn smoothly because of this "committee". So yeah maybe a mistake was made today but it was one mistake. No one is perfect. Seriously no reason to put our system under the bus. Because this system we have isn't going to change. That's a promise. It's worked well thus far and will continue to work well. Sorry for whoever doesn't like the "system" but yeah it's not gonna change. Ah sweet pissed Darth, my favorite... Look, I didn't mean for that to have negative connotations, there's just no other way to put that without sounding dickish or like that, and contrary to what you said, doesn't change what I said about who's in it. I even made it clear I understood the necessity of the committee. My concern was how the decision came about and who made it and how it looks. When I saw your reply I even tried to diffuse it with the stupid picture because to show it wasn't a big deal. But hey whatever bro, your league your rules
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Post by DarthVegito on Nov 9, 2013 18:35:35 GMT -6
Better yet I will address this statement because I'm feeling some kind of way right now. Your description of how the "committee" was formed is completely wrong and off base. The people who are in this committee are there for certain reasons. Mainly reason #1 being because myself, Balls and Quail were the original 3 that discussed starting this league. We talked about how it was difficult for one person to run it so we said we would all help out. I have the program, therefore I am the commish. Nola was brought because he is super active, and wanted to take on the responsibility. And it stopped there. So I'm not even sure what your remark about handpicking is getting at but it definitely has negative connotation. Above all I wanted this to be a very transparent league. Which I have accomplished. And will continue to make sure it is. But what I also discovered is that you can't put a poll on everything. Replacing GMs will NOT be a league wide decision. If you want to keep a team in this league you should be active. When we have people on the waiting list then the leash will get tighter and tighter. BUT that being said each GM should get a fair warning and given a chance to raise their activity. Obviously I'm talking about the most inactive GMs, which there were about 3 very inactive members this first season. This coltsguy thing was handled poorly, and no matter the level of involvement I had in the ordeal today, I am the commish and must assume some responsibility. Most of all the decisions in this first season have went very smoothly. And many of those decisions have not been put up to a poll. Much goes on behind the scenes that the league never sees. We make decisions and many other things. But above all this league has run pretty damn smoothly because of this "committee". So yeah maybe a mistake was made today but it was one mistake. No one is perfect. Seriously no reason to put our system under the bus. Because this system we have isn't going to change. That's a promise. It's worked well thus far and will continue to work well. Sorry for whoever doesn't like the "system" but yeah it's not gonna change. Ah sweet pissed Darth, my favorite... Look, I didn't mean for that to have negative connotations, there's just no other way to put that without sounding dickish or like that, and contrary to what you said, doesn't change what I said about who's in it. I even made it clear I understood the necessity of the committee. My concern was how the decision came about and who made it and how it looks. When I saw your reply I even tried to diffuse it with the stupid picture because to show it wasn't a big deal. But hey whatever bro, your league your rulesGlad we understand now. So I'm curious. It sounds like you have a problem with the people in the committee. That or I'm not completely understanding what the point of your statement is. Can you explain a little better?
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Post by Soundwave on Nov 9, 2013 18:44:00 GMT -6
I understand the point of the committee or whatever you guys are, but I still feel like the replacing of GMs should be more of a league wide determination. That way it's never a rash decision, especially considering the way it can look if you guys just start replacing guys when you deem necessary. I just don't get how this kind of decision gets made in league that began with a ridiculous amount of polls and listening to everyone's opinion comes down to a committee that lets be honest was simply handpicked by Darth Let's not go here. Seriously. Not in the mood for this. That's part of being Commish. Sometimes it doesn't matter what mood you're in.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 18:52:53 GMT -6
Let's not go here. Seriously. Not in the mood for this. That's part of being Commish. Sometimes it doesn't matter what mood you're in. True, but i can imagine this conversation going South very quickly and for what? What can be accomplish from this conversation? Feelings getting hurt that's about it.
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Post by IamQuailman on Nov 9, 2013 18:54:26 GMT -6
Seriously, it's time to move on and leave this behind us. Smoother roads ahead
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Post by LoCo89 on Nov 9, 2013 18:58:59 GMT -6
Ah sweet pissed Darth, my favorite... Look, I didn't mean for that to have negative connotations, there's just no other way to put that without sounding dickish or like that, and contrary to what you said, doesn't change what I said about who's in it. I even made it clear I understood the necessity of the committee. My concern was how the decision came about and who made it and how it looks. When I saw your reply I even tried to diffuse it with the stupid picture because to show it wasn't a big deal. But hey whatever bro, your league your rulesGlad we understand now. So I'm curious. It sounds like you have a problem with the people in the committee. That or I'm not completely understanding what the point of your statement is. Can you explain a little better? Darth, I've never had a problem with who's in The committee. There's been enough skype chats with just me, you, Nola, and quail that if that was a concern it would have come up privately, lord knows we talk enough shit. My concern was exactly what I said. How it looks bad that the committee, that you picked, just decided to pluck a gm and that there was no notice, mention or anything to the rest of the league until it was made. As far as I know, this is the first relaxing we've had and there's been no conversation pubicly of how it was going to be handled. but like I said man, you made your answer clear
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Post by DarthVegito on Nov 9, 2013 19:04:58 GMT -6
Glad we understand now. So I'm curious. It sounds like you have a problem with the people in the committee. That or I'm not completely understanding what the point of your statement is. Can you explain a little better? Darth, I've never had a problem with who's in The committee. There's been enough skype chats with just me, you, Nola, and quail that if that was a concern it would have come up privately, lord knows we talk enough shit. My concern was exactly what I said. How it looks bad that the committee, that you picked, just decided to pluck a gm and that there was no notice, mention or anything to the rest of the league until it was made. Ok I understand now. Thank you for elaborating a bit more. I seriously didn't understand where you were going with that. My apologies. You are very very right, it looked horrible. It was a mistake. And people owned up to it and apologized. Like I said man, all imperfect. Mistakes happen. Every mistake should be a learning experience and this one was. It's not how we want to do things. In the past now and we will move on.
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Post by Soundwave on Nov 9, 2013 19:08:45 GMT -6
That's part of being Commish. Sometimes it doesn't matter what mood you're in. True, but i can imagine this conversation going South very quickly and for what? What can be accomplish from this conversation? Feelings getting hurt that's about it. Just sayin. (Pun intended) If someone has a gripe, they should be able to express it. Regardless of what kind of mood someone else is in at the time. Not trying to start shit. Just trying to speak up for us little people down here (lol). Sometimes truth hurts. And sometimes killing hurts, but has to be done. Peace and love, who's number one. (-quoted from Helmet) Personally I could give a rats ass to "the committee ". I sure as hell don't want any responsibility. But it ain't cool to blow off someone's concern because you "weren't in the mood." Now that I've got that off my chest, let me return to negotiating failing trades.
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Post by LoCo89 on Nov 9, 2013 19:14:42 GMT -6
Darth, I've never had a problem with who's in The committee. There's been enough skype chats with just me, you, Nola, and quail that if that was a concern it would have come up privately, lord knows we talk enough shit. My concern was exactly what I said. How it looks bad that the committee, that you picked, just decided to pluck a gm and that there was no notice, mention or anything to the rest of the league until it was made. Ok I understand now. Thank you for elaborating a bit more. I seriously didn't understand where you were going with that. My apologies. You are very very right, it looked horrible. It was a mistake. And people owned up to it and apologized. Like I said man, all imperfect. Mistakes happen. Every mistake should be a learning experience and this one was. It's not how we want to do things. In the past now and we will move on. Ah well maybe you should've looked where i said " my concern is..." rather than getting mad about my comments about the committee which i stated i had no problem with and understood their purpose
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Post by LoCo89 on Nov 9, 2013 19:17:44 GMT -6
Ok I understand now. Thank you for elaborating a bit more. I seriously didn't understand where you were going with that. My apologies. You are very very right, it looked horrible. It was a mistake. And people owned up to it and apologized. Like I said man, all imperfect. Mistakes happen. Every mistake should be a learning experience and this one was. It's not how we want to do things. In the past now and we will move on. Ah well maybe you should've looked where i said " my concern is..." rather than getting mad about my comments about the committee which i stated i had no problem with and understood their purpose Ignore this I was still heated and dickish and it won't delete like I want it to
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Post by NOLa. on Nov 9, 2013 19:20:48 GMT -6
The dark and ugly troof behind #SLOE, an upcoming 30 for 30 near you.
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Post by DarthVegito on Nov 9, 2013 19:34:19 GMT -6
Ah well maybe you should've looked where i said " my concern is..." rather than getting mad about my comments about the committee which i stated i had no problem with and understood their purpose Ignore this I was still heated and dickish and it won't delete like I want it to It's all good. I'll ignore it and Sound's neverending attempt to stir up shit.
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Post by Soundwave on Nov 9, 2013 19:41:43 GMT -6
Ignore this I was still heated and dickish and it won't delete like I want it to It's all good. I'll ignore it and Sound's neverending attempt to stir up shit. Never Ending? I have to sleep sometimes don't I?
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